Topic: Still that smell

Currently offshore just now and just before a left there was still a strong reek of cannabis and smoke coming from downstairs. In the communal hallway and coming into our flat through our walls and floor

So i just got the best news ever that my fiancée is 6 weeks pregnant.
My now main concern is her health. I don't want my pregnant fiancée inhaling that crap coming from downstairs. Surely now the council will have to get into action regarding this?

Would this be in there interest or will they just fob me off again?

I will call the HA next week when i next smell anything.

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oh Kev that is amazing news! congrats.

I would defo mention this to the council. it could have any effect on the new arrival  big_smile  and you dont want to be stressing about your fiancee when you are working away. have the council witnessed the smell? might be worth trying to get them out when smell is strongest. but not sure how easy this is if they anything like my council they are rubbish

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KK

CONGRATULATIONS ON YR FABULOUS NEWS smile

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thanks girls.

sorry for the following long post

heres the letter I have drafted for our Council regarding downstairs. What do you think?

Dear ??,

This is in further regard to number 21 Balgownie Way. The smell from their property is getting worse. I don’t know if this is just a coincidence but since the council appointed a contractor to do the cavity wall insulation we now get odours from downstairs coming up through our kitchen units and through the skirting and flooring, this has been going on for sometime now and we have just put up with it.
I have recently found out my fiancée is pregnant and I will no longer put up with this. I want my partner and child to be healthy and not to be inhaling tobacco and cannabis odours. Although smoke is not present the fact we can smell the tobacco and cannabis in our own home suggests we are still inhaling these unhealthy life threatening particles into our lungs and I for obvious reasons do not want this.

Its more evident in our lounge where we spend most of our time and its not at all pleasant. The majority of the time we can smell cigarette smoke in our kitchen units and lounge and then most evenings the pungent smell of cannabis so we constantly have a plug in air freshener on 24/7 which is also not that good for you either but it masks the smell from downstairs.

Due to our front door not being 100% airtight if they open their front door the smell goes into the communal hallway and straight into our hallway inside our flat. Most times we cannot open our windows for fresh air as if their windows are open it pollutes our flat even more. 

Surely as the council is their landlord as such it would be with in there best interest to deal with drug users/dealers in their property especially in this case they have a young child living with them. The police have be made aware of the on goings with number 21 for a while now but as we all know police have better things to deal with than anti social neighbours. Maybe the council and police need to combine notes here??

As for our flat I have now sealed the insides of our kitchen units to get them as air tight as possible as its not pleasant getting a plate out the cupboard and being met with the odour of cannabis. As for our lounge that we have not long decorated and the only option I can see there is to lift the carpet and underlay and put a thin layer of wooden panelling and seal any cracks between joints and relay the carpet. Something I cannot afford or have the time to do between working offshore and preparing for the arrival of our first born.

Its so stressful and horrible, we don’t want to be in our own home any more and are stuck as there is no way we can afford to move financially and deal with stress’s involved in moving just now. We will now lose money when selling our property due to these council tenants causing our life hell and will have to declare this to the next owners. Who would want to voluntarily put up with what we have to? Meaning we will most definitely find it difficult or even impossible to sell.
Due to the constant smell and state their flat is in, wallpaper hanging off, ripped etc ,  from what I have seen through there occasional open front door surely there must be multiple breaches in their tenancy agreement. The main breach being disturbing other neighbours whether with loud music, Vandalizing communal door and illegal drug use and in the presence of a minor.
I know what they do in their flat is their business but when it effects others around them then this is not on. It’s no different to having a dispute regarding loud music. It originates from their flat and affects others. Other than drugs and music being completely different it’s the same principle and is intruding into other peoples lives.

I would like you also to clear a matter up for me regarding smoking in communal hallways. I have had multiple answers and I know different councils interpret laws different or sometimes just to suit them. I speak to people online from all over the country regarding councils and anti social neighbours and amongst us have conflicting reports with how councils interpret laws and go about it.

So is it legal or illegal? Its an enclosed space where members of the public go as well as workers, postmen, delivery drivers etc These workers could refuse to deliver as they should not have to be submitted to this health hazard whilst doing there job.

??, I would appreciate your help so much. We are coming the end of our tethers  and are so stressed in our own home, and with my fiancées pregnancy this is stress we don’t need. More so for Laura and the baby.
I have been offshore for the last few weeks so can’t comment regarding the communal door if it is still being abused but up until the day I was going offshore the cannabis smell was still present as normal.

If this is something that has to be taken to our local councillor I have no problems with this.

Thanks for your time and I hope you can help.

Regards

Kev


And the following to our upstairs neighbour.  what do you think?

Dear Occupants,

Ever since you have moved  into this property most days and nights we have had to put up with constant slamming of your front and internal doors,  very loud banging/foots steps in general.
  Then other times running up your hallway late at night, screaming on occasions in the early hours and loud talking in the communal hall late at night when other residents are trying to sleep.  We have been woken up on numerous occasions due to the bangs produced by yourselves as well as the loud voices during the night passing our door.

We can no longer enjoy time in our own home as this is putting us on edge as well as scaring our pets due to this frequent banging. We have spoken to you, and as you are aware the letting agency have contacted you and if anything the noise is getting worse and more frequent.
In the same way if I was disturbing yourselves I would  like to be notified as I would do my up most to reduce any disruptions caused to you as this is the respectful thing to do.

I understand you have the right to go about your day to day business but in an environment where there are multiple residents residing we all need to be that extra bit more considerate by trying to reduce noise etc. for others.

For the 2 years prior to your arrival a group of guys resided in your flat and we never heard any noise from them.  I am a big guy and I am able to walk light footed as not to disturb our downstairs neighbours, it doesn’t cost me anything or put me out my way in the slightest to be just that bit considerate towards other residents.

The main reason you are receiving this letter now is because I have just found out my fiancée is  pregnant and she needs as much rest and as little stress for her and our baby. We have enough problems in our life at the moment that it would be nice to be able to have a relaxing time in our own home without constant disruptions.

I am sorry if we have upset you  in anyway and please feel free to reply or knock on our door to discuss, we wont bite, all I am asking is if you could please make that bit of an effort to reduce noise. Close doors using handles instead of leaving them to slam and just overall less banging in general would be very much appreciated. I don’t want to have any bad feelings due to us living in such close vicinity of each other.

Sorry for the lengthy letter.

Kev

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KK,

you did'nt mention the "stink" in letter to tenants and its valid.   Cross out your apologies in both letters.

otherwise.....its earnest honest respectful and excellent hmm

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the second letter is for our neighbours upstairs who cause noise with slamming doors etc.

Im not getting involved with the druggies downstairs, im leaving that for the council to deal with

got a reply from my HA within 10 mins saying the following

Good Morning kev

This e-mail is just to confirm I have received yours. I will be discussing this with my seniors and will respond with much more details and advice. I will also let you know what action I will be looking to take.

I will be back in touch within the next week.

Thanks

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wise smile


Here's hoping for some action smile


More than anything I hope the "stench" is sorted....and the banging round is halted....it must be so worrying when your away working......WORKING

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its is. although these last few months the house has been empty whilst ive been away. my fiancée broke her ankle at the end of November so while im away she stays with my parents as it wasn't safe to leave her on her own whilst in crutches and having to take the dog out going up and down the stairs on her own.

kinda worried that flat is left vacant although my dad pops round regularly. i also installed a wifi camera inside our flat looking at our front door so we can log into on the internet and record footage or check we have mail.lol

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kev, I love the fact you call me a girl. makes me feel younger than I am!!  big_smile

love both letters!!! you are stern yet fair in them and lets hope you get some peace. your poor finance must be going mad with the broken ankle. my best friend broke hers (stupidly when drunk!) and was house bound for months! must be harder with you being away so hope for both of you, you get the peace. my mum was here for 2 hours earlier...my nn slammed windows shut 6 times. it drives me mad!

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shame you can't loosen the window frames Jo....... roll

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shame I cant do something else  wink

thing is, all this slamming could damage the building structure. im not a builder but it cant be good. can make cracks and the cracking round my windows is getting worse again. I dont even have my windows open this time of year its too fecking cold so their flat must be freezing and their heating bills massive and mine arent small!

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Kevykat, just want to say Congrats to you & your partner  big_smile Well like you I am suffering with the bad smell of fags and stuff, I phoned eveyone in the council to see what can be done as my partner is asthmatic and is suffering, but all I got told was that no-one could do anything as they own there property, ( I dont ) I said I would not dream of stopping them smoking in there own home but council has an obligation to look after its tenants (HaHA thats a joke ),was told maybe I should move......I phone EH again to be told to get in touch with the Public Health dept, I rung them and they have not heard of this situation and will get back to me !!Well yesterday I got a phone call from EH, they said they was going to investigate, they were going to go into her property to see what condition her ceilings were in as to why there smoke is coming through to my place and also to discuss ventilation with her, they said they would get back to me, we shall see......

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ahhhh so public health have given them a bit of a kick up the arse! cant believe they havent heard of this situation before. we are all complaining about it. I am sick of them smoking weed and throwing the butts out the window (then slamming the window) and sometimes I swear they flush them as my bathroom often smells of weed but I dont know if this is possible??!

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thanks for all your comments "girls".
fingers crossed this guy, the new HA, is of some use. certainly cant be worse the the previous old women that did his job and just didn't care. well that's just my opinion though

thanks for the info on public health dept. they may also get a call if nothing pans out, then the local MP

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reply from HA

Good Afternoon Kev,

After checking our records I have noted that we have already sent an inspector to check the vents etc. All seals and vents were found to be satisfactory. Unfortunately being a private tenant Aberdeen City Council cannot arrange for the repairs to your property if there is a problem with seals and vents. We cannot stop tenants smoking in there flats.

In relation to your report of the smell of cannabis I agree this is unacceptable and the situation should be monitored. Checking our records I note that past Housing Assistants have given you advice to call the Police regarding the smell of Cannabis. Housing Assistants regularly liaise with Grampian Police however in order for us to take any kind of action we require incident reports. I advise you to call the Police when you witness the smell of Cannabis, after doing so please contact myself with the incident report numbers as we have to build a case before we can take any action. If you wish we can arrange for myself to come to your property to witness the smell.

If you have concerns about the child's well-being our Social Work Office can be contacted on *********

Aberdeen City Council as landlords take any report of drugs being used or sold at a property very seriously. As with any other cases we require witnesses  who have gone forward to the Police. If you have incident numbers for previously reported incidents you can pass them to myself and I can request the reports.

The advice for the playing of loud music is to call the Anti Social Behaviour team on 08456 606 6548. We receive reports automatically when they attend and again this adds to the cases we build up as they can witness any of the behaviour between 9am - 4am.

I will be investigating your report of a state of disrepair of the mentioned property.

I can confirm that tenants should not be smoking in the landings. If this is a problem please report it to myself and I can speak to the tenants. If this continues to be an issue I can put up signs in the building.

I hope this clears up all points raised. Please do not hesitate to contact myself or if you would like to arrange a meeting in the office with myself to discuss the issues further let me know and we can get something sorted.


i called him back regarding what he said about surveyors and vents, if you walk past their ground floor flat and walk past those vent blocks you get in buildings for cavity walks all you can small there smoke and cannabis so seals are clearly not adequate if there pollution is leaking in to the building.

he has now requested all police reports that have been reported under there address to view. from the impression the police woman gave me it was a lengthy list. see what happens. will take a few weeks for the reports

at least now the communal hallway smoking has been cleared up and it is illegal. you were correct alltech, our previous HA was clearly useless as was that website